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would somone like to explain this to me
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Posted 2003-03-10 9:17 AM (#4631 - in reply to #4576)
Subject: no time now


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to answer this in the way it requires.......... but my statment was not to imply that the Father's Will was for the violent death of Jesus.......... but that in the midst of violent death the Father's Will was still done. it is not the same thing.

Jesus asked "let this cup pass from me."  obviously larger things were in motion and this request was denied. Jesus accepted the Father's Will and willingly gave up his body that the truth of our eternality might be understood and a new dispensation for human awakening  be intiated.  

Raj said that His disciples were withheld from witnessing for him at the time of the crucifixion and that peter anguished for years afterwards as a result........... that the crucifixion had to occur for His mission to be accomplished.

{{they had to crucify Jesus in order for us to access the Christ he embodied. violence in this case was the Father's Will.}}

this statement was meant to suggest that even in acts of violence..... there can be great good that evidences as effect............. as in the case of the crucifixion and the subsequent release of the Holy Spirit or Spirit of Truth into or direct experience upon the death and resurrection of Jesus as the Christ. 

i look at the balancing of pairs of opposites........ the ebb and flow of life........... and what i see as the great evidence of God BEing. until we are single-minded (awake) and no longer effected by the duality of our experience......... intense pain is followed by intense pleasure. intense sacrifice is followed by intense reward. what we give we get and the Will of God is unopposed.

i trust in what is outworking in the larger flow............ and although i am not into violence as a solution.......... peace will not happen until the cause of the problems which create war are healed. there will be no peace until the suffering and inhumane treatment of our brothers continues. this is what we are being asked to focus on........ not on the diversion of missiles to iraq.

violence can become the catalyst for great healing. until humanity uses mind from a place of integrity to heal in the ways of the Creator.......... the ways of the ego will continue........... however the Holy Spirit can use ALL for the awakening of human consciousness and does.

as always.......... i trust in the Divine over care and know that we are being moved quickly towards awakening. i will add more comment later if time allows.


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