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Raj addresses the meaning of 'the second coming of The Christ'
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Posted 2020-12-04 2:09 PM (#241873 - in reply to #241872)
Subject: the four horsemen ...


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thanks for the useable link, Zane ... 

... i wondered if others might also be curious as to what the four horsemen represent in our 'old' beliefs ... found a simple definition that gives them an individual color, to be recognized by?

[[Four figures in the Book of Revelation who symbolize the evils to come at the end of the world. The figure representing conquest rides a white horse; war, a red horsefamine, a black horse; and plague, a pale horse. They are often called the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.]]

... and Raj said;
The four horsemen of the Apocalypse. They’re already here. They’ve been here all the time, because they are an integral part of the limited perception of life.

How silly to say, they’re going to come at the end. They’re going to disappear at the end. Ah, but it came from the Bible. Well, nobody understands the book of Revelation. I’m going to tell you something that has never been said before. The four horsemen of the Apocalypse, have been present, throughout recorded time. Because recorded time is the context of the ego perception of....the only thing going on, the Kingdom of Heaven, Reality. But they slip around out of sight, and you seem to experience the effects.

In the last Days, and this is figuratively speaking, but it is as real as anything could be, the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, will come forth out in the open, because you’re not afraid to look at them. And you will see them for the insubstantial nothing that they are. They will be obvious to you as nothing more than beliefs. You will not run and hide from them. You will be willing to look them in the face...fearlessly. And they will not wreck havoc, because there will not be investment of your faith and energy and commitment to the definition of what they are, that egos have created.

... also feeling especially relevant now is what Raj said a few months ago about it being 'stare down the bogeyman time' ... see link below to his [Making One Whole] message ... 

[[It is Stare Down the Bogeyman time. It is stand with me or the Holy Spirit time, facing your fear, and not running away from it — facing every gruesome, alarming moment of staring it down, because whatever it appears to be, it is nothing covering up Something.

Fortunately and unfortunately the world is confronted by two frightening elements. One, which no one is responsible for (a virus), and another which is an aggressive political promotion of division and fear by those who should know better. Those two elements, which seem to have truly scary dynamics unique to them, making them seem quite different, are identical and call for one thing, and one thing only: Choose Your Teacher! NOTHING ELSE!

Although one of them seems to have the force of human will behind it, and the other seems to have the force of “evolution,” what you are seeing is absolutely determined by the teacher you’re looking with, not by what they seem to “say” they are. You will see neither one of them when you choose to look with me. You will call it a healing, a miracle, and you will be right!

Why did I say “fortunately and unfortunately”? Because in the realm of belief, in the imagination, in current ignorance, there are only two creative forces: Human Will and Nature. When both of them simultaneously present themselves, side-by-side, as maximally powerful and as dangerous as they can be, and they are so blatant in their unreality, the “call for correction” is so inescapable that full release from both of them is imminent . . . if you don’t turn your back on the them, but stare them down, instead.]]

Edited by orinda 2020-12-04 3:58 PM
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